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{Podcast Episode 12} Journey Story with Shirley Moore

You may recall our recent conversation with The Moores on The Walters' couch. Today we are diving into our first faith journey story with 1/2 of The Moores, Shirley X. Moore.

As most of you have most likely been experiencing, the last few years in the pandemic has stretched our faith and taught us lessons we will never forget. We are talking about hustle-culture, rest, and a God that never forsakes us.

Let's get right into today's conversation!

If you missed our conversation with Ramel and Shirley on The Walters' Couch, click here to catch up on part 1 and here for part 2.

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Show Notes:

Hebrews 13:5 - Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, “Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.”

Jeremiah 29:11 - For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

Psalms 68:6 - God sets the lonely in families, he leads out the prisoners with singing; but the rebellious live in a sun-scorched land.

Ephesians 3:20 - Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us

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Shirley Moore


Get Caught Up with Episode 10: From the Walters' Couch w/ the Moores - Pt2

Journey Story w/Shirley Moore - Transcription


Shekinah: Welcome to this week's episode of the Truth and Promises podcast. Today, we have another faith journey, or journey of faith story, to share with you all. And I'm looking forward to diving into today's conversation with my pastor, and friend, and big sister, Shirley X Moore. So Shirley, go ahead and introduce yourself and let the people know who you are.

Shirley Moore: Yeah. Hi, thanks for having me, Shekinah. I am Shirley X Moore. I live in Pawtucket, Rhode Island, which is the smallest state in the United States. You can literally cross this in like 45 minutes. But I'm originally from Puerto Rico. I was born there and spent all my summers there. I came here when I was six, here, meaning mainland U.S.

And I own an interpreting and translation firm, have a consulting firm, and I'm a pastor, and a mom, and a wife, and I mean, the list goes on and on and on. And yeah, I'm just excited to be here today. I'm excited to have this conversation with you.

Shekinah: Yeah, no, we're really excited to have you. If you all don't know the premise behind these journey of faith stories, it's just to have real conversations about our journeys and God's glory. About his faithfulness and his never-ending love.

During these talks, I invite our guests to share whatever God has placed on their hearts in this season, as long as it encourages us to walk by faith, live in victory, and above all else, obey God. So I like to start these conversations off by asking what's one of your favorite truths or promises that we can find in the scripture.

Shirley Moore: You know, it's interesting when you ask, I think two scriptures that I just love and I live by are Hebrews 13:5, I will never leave you. I will never forsake you. And then, of course, Jeremiah 29:11, I know the plans I have for you declares the Lord. They are plans to prosper you and not to harm you to give you a hope and a future.

Two of my favorite, but one that I feel has really been coming to my heart lately and has just been. I feel like it's God showing his heart to me. And I don't know exactly I'm going to have to Google it right now, but it's the one where it says that God takes the fatherless and puts them in family.

And let me just pull that up. And that's paraphrasing, but it's Psalm 68:6. And it says God sets the lonely in families. He leads out the prisoners with singing, but the rebellious live in a scorched land. And it just like that first part, God sets the lonely in families has just been really ringing through this year in my life.

Shekinah: Hm. God sets the lonely in families. And then what are your other ones again?

Shirley Moore: Hebrews 13:5.

Shekinah: And never leave, you never forsake you. He knows the plans that he has for you. Love it. Okay. So how have you stood on these promises through a wilderness season or wilderness seasons in your life? Like, how are these ringing true to you?

Shirley Moore: You know, this year was a wilderness season for me. It was the, I don't want to say, the most challenging because, you know, I just turned 40 yesterday, and I'm sure there's going to be way more challenging seasons. But this year was a year of a lot of stretching and pulling, and it was a year where I found myself.

Although I was amongst my family and amongst my friends, and amongst my community, I was very alone in a lot of the situations that I had to endure. And I just, Jeremiah 29:11,. Like I knew his plans were to prosper me. Like I knew that even though I was going through the season and I apologize for getting emotional, cause I feel like I'm just coming, able to reflect on the season.

I'm starting to enter that space. But even though I knew that it was hard. I knew that his plan was to prosper me all along, and like I had to hang on to the fact that there was hope at the end of it. Right. That, that he was going to be with me. And then Hebrews 13:5. I'm not I'm with you in this, I'm not leaving you behind, you know, you might feel like you're alone.

It might feel like you're the only one in this situation, but I'm walking this thing out with you. And I just saw God come alive in this season of my life. And I learned so much not just about him and his love for me but about his commitment to continue to expand my territory. And, you know, I kept telling my husband, when I was going through everything this year, I kept saying to him, you know, I understand that the levels that I'm at, bring new devils like I understand this right.

And. I'm not afraid, but I'm tired. I kept telling him I'm just tired of being in this season. And it was just one thing after another. I just, you know, I found myself this weekend should have been celebrating Christmas and my 40th birthday. And I found myself grieving, just grieving, like spending time alone and crying because I'm like, I didn't have a chance to grieve the things that I lost this year because there were so many things happening simultaneously.

And so, you know, whew, I apologize. I wasn't expecting to cry.

I just know, I know that I know that he put me in a family yesterday. You know, my husband went to church, and he preached, and I stayed home because I was sick. And I was sitting here. He bought me a makeup bag. Let's talk funny, though. Right? Like he bought me a makeup bag. The last makeup bag that I got was when I went to my sister's wedding 10 years ago, this December, 10 years ago.

And her mom gave me a Mary Kay makeup bag, and I love this thing cause it's big, it has all these compartments, and I just had it for all these years. And I was like, it is time to like, retire you, baby, you are done. Meaning, you know, there's no hope for you. Right? And so, as I was like, you know, taking out my makeup and just purging things and throwing things out, cause you know, you'll make a bag it's full of trash, that's a whole sermon.

That is a whole sermon. But you know, I was taking stuff out, and I'm like, you know, I really need to upgrade and like buy, like replace some of these things. And you know, I'm sitting at home, listening to him preach and just doing that. And he comes home with these gifts from people from our church that I never expected.

Like I never expected these gifts. Right. And it was all the makeup that I was saying that I needed to replace. It was in little bags, and I just was so overwhelmed and so reminded, like he takes the lonely, and he puts you in family. Like you are not alone. Like, you might feel like you're by yourself. You might feel like these situations are insurmountable.

And like maybe no one else is experiencing these things with you at your level. Right? Like you're in the center of it, but there are people who are walking alongside of you that are hearing the voice of God for you.

Shekinah: Yeah, no, that's real. That's real. Community is so important. And I feel like that's something that I have always appreciated.

Shirley Moore: You're the master at it.

Shekinah: I have always appreciated community, you know, I think that's something my parents instilled in me as a child. It's like, you can't walk through this life on your own. And that's something that also breeds life into the 1140 vision, is just connecting across generations, connecting within a community, and having that accountability to go through life together.

And I wasn't very familiar with Psalm 68:6, but that just speaks so true. And I just love to hear about, you know, the year that you've had through 2021 and probably, you know, spilled over from 2020; it's all sort of blended together. And what you're saying about grieving, those things that have been lost is so real.

And I feel like so many people will be able to identify with this as they're listening because a lot of us have lost so many different things, even as we've gained things, I feel like there was one point, and I think I talked to you all about this before, but there was one point that I felt like I was grieving sort of my identities that were lost as I was moving through the year from a student, to faculty member, from girlfriend to wife and just all of those different things.

So I can imagine, because I know some of the journeys that you've taken with church and with business and those sorts of things, that I can imagine the grief on multiple levels, even within family and the things that are lost there. So I, you know, I, I hear the reminder that comes from Hebrews 13:5, and I see that promise from Jeremiah 29:11, and how those things sort of bridge across your year and it is really beautiful to hear, like, those are the things that you stood on when you felt like you were being stretched and pulled in so many different directions.

Shirley Moore: Yeah. I mean, I think that every Christian needs a scripture. If you don't have any, at least one. Right. And for some people, I might be like, Jesus wept, because that's the smallest one. And I can remember that. Right? Like, but whatever it is, you need something to remind you that like this walk is a walk that you're not doing alone and that the Holy Spirit, whether you feel Him or not, is counseling and comforting you and pushing you along and motivating you and Jesus is interceding on your behalf.

Right. Like you have the intercessor of all intercessors going into the heavenly realms on a regular basis, right there on your behalf, He's interpreting the groans of your heart, right? Like He is interpreting the utterances of, of your heart. And you know, when you have a scripture, it allows you to like, sort of reflect on all those things, that there is a work that is being done, that maybe you don't have a name and a word for, but it is being done on your behalf.

And because of that, you're not going to fail. Like for me, it felt like Jesus, like, I can't take one more thing. I took more vacations this year than I ever have in my whole life. Ask me which one I rested at, and I actually vacationed on. None of them.

Shekinah: Yeah. I remember cause you took your laptop, and I was judging you for workin'.

Shirley Moore: That was my year. You know, I was in Mexico working. I was in, you know, and I'm, I'm grateful though. I'm grateful that my life, you know, I read a meme, and I said, you know, do you remember when you were praying for this, for this thing that you're living right now? And I was in that, that just gave me such a, like, reminder.

Like I remember when I was praying for my son. I remember when I was praying for my husband. We just celebrated 12 years. We're about to celebrate my son's 11th birthday. I remember when I had a job making $14 an hour, and now my bill is at a hundred and something dollars. And I was like, you know what I mean?

Like I remember when I was praying for this. And so, I don't take it lightly. At all. I just don't let the storms at this level require a level of faith that stretches my wildest imaginations of who God is. It really does.

Shekinah: Yeah. I like that. The storms at this level stretches your faith. No, that is really good.

And I, I think, you know, a lot about the 1140 story, which you are very familiar with as you were at, I think our second 1140 conference in Delray Beach and, you know, I think there was a lot of faith stretching that happened in the wilderness and on this 1140 journey. Just as a reminder to our listeners, this 1140 that we're referring to refers to the 11 days, it should have taken the Israelites to make it out of bondage into their promised land and by going through the wilderness that they were in. And I think there's just so much meaning behind the 1140 story, in 1140 glory as a whole, and I'm wondering how that story might resonate and the meaning behind that story might resonate with you and your journey that you've been on. Whether it's been this year or across your whole lifetime.

Shirley Moore: Man, you know, It's interesting that you asked that question because number one, just a couple of days ago.

So before I was a Christian, I was a lesbian, and I abused substances, and I was just worldly, like beyond worldly. Right. But I remembered a couple of days ago, my husband comes to me, and he's like, yeah, how did you know you weren't a lesbian anymore? And I was almost like taken back by his question. Like what?

Shekinah: 12 years later...

Shirley Moore: I was like journaling, and he comes in the room just randomly, like, just ask the question, and for a moment, I couldn't even answer him because for me that was a suddenly, you know, I was not like, I know that there are people that are on wilderness journeys, trying to break free from homosexuality. Right. But that's not my story. My step for me, that was a suddenly it was something that was just gone one day. Right. And I find myself in, in this year, just thinking of like, Lord, why couldn't all of this, be a suddenly. Why did these things have to take a whole year? You know, for me, for some folks, 2020 was such a challenge for me. It was pretty amazing. I'm very introverted. I love to be in at home. Only the people that I loved came into my space, and that was amazing.

Shekinah: Like me and Justin.

Shirley Moore: Pretty much. So, I mean, I like, I just, it was a great year.

My business quadrupled, my family was healthy. It was a great, great year. So I never expected 2021. I never, it came in like it came in like a wrecking ball.

It just came out of left field, you know, and I just kept asking God. Well, not asking him, but just telling him like, Lord, I don't want this to be 40 years. Please let this be my 11-day journey. Don't let me stay here. You know, during this year, I lost a great friend to mental health issues, to issues that I never even knew existed.

And there's like, there's more to the story. Right. But I lost my cousin within a few days of that happening. And my cousin was the last person in her family. So her brother was killed like 30 years ago. My best friend, who was her sister, passed away 12 years ago, her mom passed away three years ago, and now Aida died this year.

And like that whole generation was wiped out, and it was like the biggest, it was the biggest hit to me, you know, because they were gone, like they were our family and they were gone. All of them. They were just all gone. And so. There were so many things happening. Then I just kept saying, Lord, I don't want to come out of this 20 years from now.

I don't want to live in this like funk that debilitates me, that ruins my health, that kills my mental health, that, you know, that that creates fear or anxiety, because truly like the one that devil's at work he's at work forever. He wants to destroy. Right. And so. I did not want to be destroyed. I did not want to be destroyed.

And that's just what I kept confessing. I will not be in this journey for the next 40 years. This is my 11-day walk.

Shekinah: Yeah. And what do you think turns the tide from the 40 years to 11 days? Do you think it was just the grace and mercy of God, you continuing to confess and stand on his word? Do you think there was something you did, or what do you think made it so that it wasn't 40 years?

Shirley Moore: Honestly, I feel like just at the point where I can start to reflect. So I don't have a straight answer. I will say that what made the biggest difference for me is taking 10 minutes of praise every day, every morning. You know, even if I couldn't sing back because there was just so much weight on my shoulders, I had the music playing.

Then one song that just keeps carrying me through is the Maverick city song, Jirah, where it says I wasn't holding you up, so I couldn't let you down. Right. I feel like I can't, I can't give you everything I got right now. You know what I mean? But I'm so grateful that I wasn't holding you up, to begin with, that.

Like what I've given you is more than enough. You know, and even the More Than Enough song. I could go on and on about all the songs that, just 10 minutes every day, just like believing God and creating that atmosphere, and I know it's not hours because I don't have hours, you know, I just don't. But just those 10 minutes of like creating an atmosphere of gratitude, you know. I also heard this thing, and it said anxiety and gratitude can not live in the same space.

And so, when you start living from a place of gratitude, anxiety has to flee. And so, I started combating anxiety because I got to the point where I felt like I couldn't breathe. Like I was breathing, but there was no oxygen coming in, you know? So I just took a place of gratitude.

Shekinah: Yeah. No, that's good. I think creating that 10 minutes of praise is so vitally important, you know, as, as you were saying, I've only got 10 minutes. I don't have hours. It made me think of this scripture that talks about better as one day in your courts than a thousand elsewhere. And I know that God just holds time in his hand. So if all we truly, sincerely have his 10 minutes, he will take that 10 minutes and fill you up for the rest of the day as if you've never left his presence and says, if you've been sitting there for hours on end as if you've done 40 days and 40 nights on top of the mountain.

And so, you know, that is one amazing thing about just being intentional about spending that time, regardless of how you feel. I know there are days when I just don't feel. I don't feel like it. I don't want to talk about God right now. I only want to speak his face right now because everything in my world is just sort of blowing up.

But on those days, when I feel like that, when I do say to all right, I'm going to just play at least one song, then I find myself going deeper or moving on through the rest of my day just at peace with everything that's ahead of me. Yeah. With clarity, better vision lighter. Just sort of floating through what should be chaos, you know, and I think that's the meaning of, He will give you peace that passes all understanding because according to our understanding, you should be going insane. Right now.

Shirley Moore: Right.

Shekinah: But you are at peace, and it could be because of that 10 minutes a day because that's all it takes. It could be because of that one worship song that you really just quiet yourself to listen to and dive into. So I think that's really powerful. And as you continue to reflect on what got you through this year, I know, you know, so many people will be blessed to hear that testimony. So I am really happy to hear that you are to the place where you can look back and go, all right, that was the wilderness. What did I do? What did we do, Holy Spirit, to get through this together? And that's just really powerful. So I will ask, do you feel like you're now at the place where you're living in a promised land? And if so, and this could be in any area, this could be in relation to the year that you've had in 2021 or a relation to a larger part of your life story. But really, what is that promised land like to you, or even if you don't feel like you're living in the promised land? We know from the 1140 story that God gave them visions of the promised land, or he sent spies in to be able to describe the promised land.

So even if you don't feel like you're there yet, can you just describe to us what God has shown you or what you see coming?

Shirley Moore: You know, this season. Sure. So one thing I will say about myself as like, I have many talents, but I've always struggled to articulate what those talents are. If you asked me who I am, I give very generally because I'm not detailed on that.

I've never spent enough time learning about Shirley to be able to describe what I do or how I do

Shekinah: But you describe everyone else's, what they do, so well.

Shirley Moore: Very well. But one thing that this year proved to me is that I have abilities and skills that I never ever knew that I could have. And so, whereas I was probably looking at contracts that were like in the five digits.

I'm no longer looking at those. I'm like looking at six-figure, multi-six figure contracts going forward because can't nobody does what I do. I understand that. I can walk in and change the atmosphere, literally not for my glory, but for His glory. And that was something that I did not know. So what does the promised land look like? It looks like a bunch more money. I can tell you that much. And with that a bunch more freedom, you know, I learned over this year that I've, you know, I grew up in the hood, man. I grew up on welfare. You know, we were a Puerto Rican family living in the hood. My mother had four kids, and she brings home $520 a month. And I've been fighting, never to go back there my whole life.

And I realized that, like, I don't have to hustle anymore.

Shekinah: Yeah. I think that that hustle culture is dead and gone in many ways. In just talking with my own friends and thinking about what I do. There were moments where I was like hustle, hustle, hustle, and then it got to a point, and I like the way you say the promised land. It looks like more money.

And the way I translate that is it looks like higher value. It looks like you're able to value yourself and your services higher. And when you do that, you don't have to hustle, hustle, hustle. One thing is good enough, and for the rest of it, you can rest. And I think that's where a lot of our burnout has come from in the past couple of years.

Just trying to get the next hustle and keep it moving. And it's fine to have multiple interests and chase after those interests, but there is all. It's always beautiful to just have one high-value item that you know is going to hold you down as you go off and explore other things that you might be interested in.

So I identify with that a lot, and also the idea of freedom. Like I think more than anything coming out of 2020 into 2021, that's what I was praying for, was just freedom in every aspect and area of my life. And I think that is still my prayer, you know, and will continue to be my prayer and will continue to be something that, I don't think it's a place that you arrive at. I think freedom is like sort of a journey that you walked down and that you experience.

Shirley Moore: Yeah, there's that scripture in the Bible that says that you go from glory to glory. I firmly believe that God's glory encompasses rest. You know, it is in God's glory; you live in rest. And I think that we have gotten it backward where we've tasted so much purpose that we forsake our rest. And I feel like my promised land is full of rest, from working from a place of glory.

Shekinah: Yeah, I like that don't chase so much purpose that you forget to rest. Pardon me as I take my notes. No, that's really good. And I love that you have this vision of the promised land and what it should look like, and just hearing you say all of the vacations that you've been on this year and watching them via Instagram, just to know that rest is one of those desires, you know, I pray that in this new year, you can be really intentional about when you do take those vacations to be purposeful about rest.

I think I'm even learning in this season that rest really does breathe life into the work that we do each and every day. And your work is so much better for the time that you spend resting and receiving that restoration from God. And it's just like, life-giving. Reminds me of a heartbeat. Like that's, that's what it's about.

You know you want your resting heartbeat to sort of be your normal, chill every day. You don't want that rush in that hustle every day. So, I really identify with.

Shirley Moore: Yeah, thank you. I don't think that we realized that like hustle stifles, creativity, it really does. You don't have no time to, to get what God-like Go, I only, I had only got 10 minutes because I got a hustle off to do this. Right? Like you need the creator to be creative. And so for that, you need to be able to sit in his presence and hear and get those downloads and then go out and implement. He has to be the CEO.

Shekinah: Yeah. Yeah, that reminds me of our episode. I did an episode at the end of 2021.

He goes somewhere in December about Building from Heaven Down. And as I was sitting up at four o'clock one morning, just talking with God. And just praying about, you know, my six-month launch plan and my six-week launch plan for the next hustle and like what that means and what that looks like and how we're always coming to God like, we want clarity on this next business or idea or a purpose or our vision, but we're going to give him one Sunday and one Wednesday to give it to us. We're going to give him six weeks or six months in this launch plan. And I did the math, and I don't think I can remember it off the top of my head, but I think it's more than six years. If we gave God two to three hours a week, it would take us over six years, just spend the same 40 days and 40 nights that Moses spent on top of the mountain or that Jesus spent in the wilderness, and that's where their ministries began, and that's where they received clarity. And that's where they received direction.

And here we are, as a microwave generation thinking we could go sit for 30 minutes and God's going to give it all to me, and then we end up frustrated and doing things in our own might and power, instead of leaning on God. And so it's amazing to hear you say this. Because I think it resonates so deeply with this idea of building your life, your vision, your purpose, all from heaven down, which requires a lot of intimacy time.

And yeah, if you only have 10 minutes a day to give, no shame there, but just know it's not going to come to you in that ten minutes, or maybe it will, and we can call it a miracle, but we can't walk in with that expectation. And then walk out upset that it didn't happen in our own timeframe. We have to lean into just the fact that God wants to spend time with us.

And sometimes, he will give your hearts these desires that require spending some real time with him and leaning on him.

Shirley Moore: Yeah, you gotta be willing to fight the angel-like Jacob did, right. It was like, I ain't letting you go, like, I will fight you. That's how I got my husband. Sorry. I gotta remind him of this story.

But I got in a fight with God, and I was like, I'm not letting go until you bring my husband. Cause I'm not living like this.

And like, I think we forget that, that you have to, not that you have to fight God, I wasn't fighting God, but I was pulling on his, on everything. I touch the hem of his garment. Yanked at the garment pulled the garment down. I unrobed him in the process. I pulled the garment up. I did what I needed to do to get to where I needed to be.

Shekinah: You weren't just drawing virtue. You were snatching virtue out.

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